The fascination of RED

red pigeon

I am mad about red pigeons. FULL reds especially, more than red checkers. The funny thing is – I heard many fanciers saying that they are crazy about red pigeons too, they love the color. More than that, some of them want to create a full family of successful red pigeons. Are there strong families of reds nowadays? I’d love to learn about a fresh line of successful reds, like the famous Bricoux that were killing the long distance races many years ago and also looked gorgeous!

61 Comments

  1. TD LANGHOVER

    i have the dark red bricoux’s. the funny thing most people do not know about them is they are red grizzle’s.if you open the wing just like the blue bars with white in their wings they have white in their wings.
    i learned this info from the breeding records of dr. bricoux. martin from begium obtained his records so i went in my loft
    to check and what do you know they had white in their wings.this white is not that visiable unless you hold them up in the light,this is know as a grizzling factor.
    dr. bricoux was known for his reds but had all color’s.little known fact super crack
    crusson has the bricoux blood in his veins.
    funny thing,Peet Deweerd said that of all the different strains of bird’s bricoux’s and janssen’s were the best two line’s he had ever known,both line’s,one blue one red both have the grizzle factor in their wings.
    p.s. the janseen’s also had many color’s of bird’s most do not know this because they did not want you to know.
    rick mardis “continental breeding station” went to their house and saw all these colored bird.

  2. Andrei

    Oh WOW, I didn’t know they are red grizzles! All I noticed is that the males have those specific little black lines. Janssens have the checker version of reds, the “fox” lines if I remember correctly.

  3. I don’t know if the term “Fresh Line” would apply to Ludo Claessens “Vos” line. But, Ludo certainly had a very sucessful line of pigeons which just so happen to be red. Ludo never bred for color, that I know of, but his red line of pigeons certainly does deserve the term “strong” and sucessful. Some times you will get a very deep rich red color, that many racing fanciers might call “Velvet”, and of course, they sometimes throw a very dark check, where the term “Blue Velvet” might not be the correct term from a genetic point of view, but some are so dark, you can’t tell it is a checker anymore, they almost look black. Both of these colors will show up in the same nest. Since Ludo was not breeding for color, but to produce National Champions, other colors are of course within the family tree. But, if one wanted a loft full of sucessful racers, and also wanted red, well you would have a difficult time finding a better family of middle distance Champions.

  4. Phil MARTIN

    I am pleased to note that there still are fanciers dedicated to the famous Bricoux strain. As being the heir to most of the note-books, diaries, pedigrees, photos, etc. regarding the Bricoux strain, I can tell the fanciers that the deep reds were quite rare at Jolimont, most of the reds being light chequers.
    It is fairly safe to state that one can see some ‘foxy’ or ‘frosty’ grizzling along the shaft of the primary flights of pure Bricouxs, depending on the ancestor.
    However, nearly all the grizzle Bricouxs are to be found amongst those bred by the late Ernest Duray.
    Best regards to all the Bricoux fans.

    Phil Martin (Belgium)

  5. andrew

    THE BEST BRICOUX OF ANY KIND I HAVE SEEN BELONG TO MR E W KITCHEN THE REDS ARE STUNNING MR KITCHEN STILL RACES TODAY 74 YEARS CONTINOUS RACING THERE WONT BE ANYONE TO BEAT THAT ANYTHING YOU WISH TO KNOW ABOUT BRICOUX MR KITCHEN WOULD KNOW 94 YEAR OLD AND STILL LIVES FOR HIS PIGEONS EXAMPLE TO US ALL AN ABSOLUTE GENTLEMAN

  6. KENNETH DROOG

    i own some of the best racing bricoux`s in the UK ,many from E.W.Kitchen, Pringle Bros, P.Stowell,old Tom Perry line anyone wanting to more about the Bricoux`s call me 01592 712448

  7. Bob Kitchen

    To Andrew.

    My Father Mr E.W.Kitchen is ACTUALY 95 comming up 96 this year and has been racing for an outstanding 77 as he started racing in 1933 alough he started keeping pigeons since 1919 at the tender age of 5 years old. :)

  8. Sayuri

    Hi:
    For those who like reds, I just bought a red Jennsen called Red Sensation with an imppressive performance, nothing less than 39 prices in Europe, 8 of then 1st. I hope I can breed a sucessful family of reds.

  9. TD LANGHOVER

    hi Phil
    my bricoux’s came from the vds auctions in the 70’s and
    1980’s via schmiedl bricoux’s which came to them from dr.
    albrecht and the german pigeon corp. i would love to talk to you
    about the strain.

    p.s. inbreed for 30 years and still they win. mother nature
    culls the weak

  10. TD LANGHOVER

    to andrei

    i am not a genetic master but have learned a few things over the years. their are many forms of reds. mealy
    pigeons or silver pigeons”red bars” that have black ticks in
    their feathers have the blue gene some would say that all
    red colored pigeons carry the blue jean. i’m hear to tell you
    that most do but their are a few very few that do not.

    one, take a red check cock and a blue check hen and
    mate them. when the two babies grow up if there both red
    check and one has black ticking in its feathers than it will
    be a male the one with out should be a female.

    schmiedl bricoux pigeons were 99.9% ash reds or
    ash silvers my favorite being silvers but due to mother natures selection the reds won out.

    two my bricoux pigeons if mated to a blue will not
    throw a mealy pigeon, this has puzzled me for years. now
    if i take one of those babies and breed it with a blue bar i
    have cocks and hens with black ticking in there tail feathers
    only. i believe this has something to do with dr. bricoux’s
    mastering gentic crosses and maybe the schmiedls breeding
    just reds’s for so long.

    i have been blessed to have meet peet deweerd at our club house in wichita kansas. bill bonwell one of our past
    a.u. presidents had him come. peet was the master so i ask
    him how do you know a great pigeon just by handling it.

    you must handle a many aces as you can get your
    hands on than put to memory what they all have in common.

    than buy pigeons that handle that way and have a good
    record. remember he said if you can buy a family that handles like champs you will get their faster

    i made this statement andrei just to let you in on the
    biggest mistake most make.never buy the newest strain
    around always go with the tried and true.

    i know a genetic master in my area and will talk to
    him soon his name is willie and in the animal world of
    breeding he is a master at breeding for certain traits.

  11. Webmaster

    Indeed, breeding is always fascinating. We also have one old fancier here that loved Bricoux for all his life, I have some pictures which I will post in a new article. Most of them are red check with that special grey head and of course a lot of black marks.

  12. TD LANGHOVER

    marlon phil martin has stated that bricoux pigeons were many
    colors . a lot of dr. bricoux’s famous pigeons were red so most
    think of them as being red but not true many were bc,bb,rc,sil
    white and so on. dr. bricoux used the colors and many other
    factors to his advantage remember he was one of the first to
    try widowhood. a very smart man who was willing to try new
    things to excel at his sport. a dr. who was not afraid to fail.

  13. Phil Martin

    To TD LANGHOVER
    Dear Sir, you can get in touch with me via my email address, which reads phil.martin45@gmail.com
    It is safe to state the the red colour is dominant in racing pigeon breeding. However, owing to 80 years of inbreeding, a red/mealy cock mated with a blue/cheq hen can produce a… dark cheq cock – what is considered impossible. My Good Chequer was bred from such a pair in a separate section.
    In the past, at Dr. Bricoux’s, Le Noir du Docteur – a black chequered cock – was a brother to Julius Cesar and La Plume Noire, both reds.
    Best regards to all the Bricoux fans
    Phil.

  14. i have a very good line of red janssens…which i have molded over the years i imported the original pair in 06 from Herman Beverdam and have proven to be very good to me winning national awards for me and others…

  15. Humberto Zaballa

    Hi there,

    This is a message for Bob Kitchen:
    Hi Bob, I would like to know more about your dad´s Bricoux racing pigeons (Mr. E W Kitchen. England).
    Would you please contact me to my e-mail address?
    Is he still alive? Does he still have Bricoux?
    I live in Aguascalientes city, Mexico. I bred and raced Bricoux for 20 years in Mexico city. 23 years ago I needed to get rid of my loft, however I would like to restart.
    humberto.zaballa@yahoo.com.mx
    Greetings. Humberto Zaballa

  16. Kevin UK

    I’ve recently been in Thailand and visited the lofts of Mr Chan.
    Mr Chan has an outstanding team of the old type Bricouxs. Fine reds with a beautiful nut brown eye. They are very typical of the Bricoux and Sions which were highly regarded back in the 60’s to 70’s for long distance 500 mile day birds.
    If you’re ever thinking about visiting Thailand and want some introductions to pigeon fanciers there, please send me an e mail and I’ll respond with contact names. KH1449@hotmail.com
    My good friend Maurice Dann (Angel Brothers) has exported a number of fantastic modern day winning birds to Thailand and has set up a beautiful centre of excellence for European strains in Rayong with his close friend Khun Tna. Well worth a visit!

  17. Anthony Kue

    Well I just bought a black cock that came with a free blue check hen from a backyard flyer, and he said that for some reason, her kid’s only come’s out red mottles. Not blue check, blue bar’s, or whatever color the cock is. It doesn’t matter what colored cock’s that you breed with, they only come out r.r. mottles. And so one of my cousin took her to breed with his pure white cock. And boom, the kid’s turned out all r.r mottles. I mean, that’s amazing, i do really want some r.r. mottles too. But the thing is that, as of right now at my house. I haven’t built a loft yet. And yeah, I do want to go buy other pigeon’s too, but no loft yet. Well I think what alot of people say, “it doesn’t matter on what color the hen or the cock is, it just depend’s on the background.”

  18. Mr Dragoon

    Red pigeons come in two genetic forms
    1. Dominant Red also called ash red. &
    2. Recessive Red.
    The terms domnant and recessive are always used in respect to the wild blue colour in pigeons.

    For a pigeon to express/display a dominant factor it only requires one gene for the factor. Since here we are talking ash red, a pigeon only has to have one gene for the bird to appear red. this is true in all of the patern series eg. barred barles, checker and t patern checker.
    When only is single gene is present for a particular trait, the term heterozigous is used for that trait alternately when two genes are present in an individual for a particular trait then the term homozigous is used.
    To further complicate matters more the gene for ash red is only carried on the sex chromosome, therefore she can only ever have one gene for ash red. The cocks however, can be either heterozigous or homozigous for ash red.

    This means, whenever an ash red hen is mated the a wild type blue cock, all hens produced from the mating will be blues and all cocks produced from such a mating will be ash red. This kind of pairing is said to be sex linked.

    However, a heterozigous ash red cock mated to a wild type blue hen will produce 50% blue and 50%ash red offspring of both sexes, when he is mated to an ash red hen all cocks will be ash red and the hens will be 50% blues and 50% ash red.

    A homozygous ash red cock when mated to a wild type blue hen or an ash red hen will always produce ash red offspring regardles of sex.

    Recessive red is not common amoung racing pigeons, it has to be in homozygous form for ti to express itself.
    It is a masking factor that covers the true colour and pattern of the bird and is therefore mostly seen as a solid (self) colour, except where other factors are present. for example, almond, opaline or recess white .

  19. bulletproofloft

    im not a fan of reds but there’s one family i really love and that’s Hollywood/breeder’s best. they’re BB and BBWF but if lucky, they’ll give you reccessive reds..

    they dont just looks good, they’re also a great racers..

  20. rodriguez bros. loft

    I have three reds now one is a red bar ,one red checker and one solid red and all three gives me good results for breeding and for race the red bar was an ace bird from 2009 race here in the phillipines as young birds reds are rare and good aswell

  21. Sierra lofts, Australia.

    I am currently building my own red family from very old distance families like Harrisons & Jurions combined with the Red Fox Janssens to inject speed into the lines. The offspring are mainly Red bars or as we call them down under, Mealies; I am impressed so far with what I have produced, although still young & yet to be tested I am confident that they will do the job. My Jurion & Harrison birds would fly through brick walls to return home & they have been very successful for me, but it is time to give myself a new challenge. I will keep you informed!!!

  22. jack dillon

    I have a red chequer cock kirkpatrick blood who flew all the inland races in Ireland for the last five years and all the race points from wales and cornwall in england and i thought he met his end in the last channel race from france, but he made it home six weeks later starving and oil stains on his wings, throughout his racing carier he only managed a close second beaten by two minutes in the club but got eight fed position in that race from wales, it’s not all about winning races,this red battler is now retired age five.

  23. Adrian

    Nice to see and hear that there are other red pigeon lovers out there. I have created a red family of pigeons that are flying sensational! They are from the old stassard base pigeons. The minute that I bought the original cock, he bred me two winners (nest mates). One of them was one time the only bird through on a long distance race – something that I am really proud of. I have bought over the years, while creating my red family 6 other cocks from the original breeder of these red pigeons (he is now dead). Every single one of them have produced champion pigeons. One of the dark red cocks also produce the “bronze chequer” colour pigeons.

  24. David.

    Loved reading these comments. I have been reading Philip Martin’s pages in the R.P. since he began penning about his own Bricouxs wichI think must be as near pure as you can find. Can you tell me is Mr E.W.Kitchin still living (Hopefully) and maybe a telephone number and or an address ?Yours in sport. David

  25. Brian

    AND I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO LOVED RED PIGEONS. I STARTED RACING WHEN I WAS 12.
    THAT WAS 44 YEARS AGO. I ALWAYS HAD A SOFT SPOT FOR THE RED ONES. THEY NICKNAMED ME THE REDBIRDMAN AT THE CLUB. I’VE HAD SOME GOOD ONES OVER THE YEARS. WELL THAT IS ALL I OWN NOW REDS, RC, ASHES AND GRIZZLES. I’VE GOT ONE SPECIAL ASH-C (624 )
    (SION,HAVENITH,FABRY CROSS) THIS COCK IN TWO YEARS FLEW( 09-10) 18 OLD BIRD RACES, OVER 6500 MILES NOT INCLUDING TRAINING. HE NEVER MISSED THE CLOCK. HE SCORED IN 2-400’S, 4-500’S, AND 2-600’S AND HE WAS ONLY TWO YEARS OLD. IN 2010 HE SINGLE HANDILY WON LONG AVERAGE SPEED FOR ME.I STOCKED HIM AFTER THAT YEAR BEFORE THE HAWK TOOK HIM FROM ME.THESE BIRD FLY ALL DISTANCES AND SPEEDS. ONE PROBLEM THE HAWKS LIKE THEM TOO. IT’S GETTING TOUGHER EVERY YEAR TO LET THEM OUT. POWER TO THE RED ONES!!!

  26. JC TERBLANCHE

    Good day
    Im pleased to hear from all the red pigeon fanatics, they are indeed my favourite too.
    Here in South Africa the more popular red strains include the stassars,red janssens (freek romen lines),meulemans and hermans. regardless for being “older”strains they are still very good and could beat any other pigeon on any giving race day. i think its fair to say that bb and cheqs are preffered over the reds today,because the De rauw/sablon,koopmans, vandenabeele,houbens are today’s biggest names, selling at high prices for the great perfomances and pedigrees they have to their names. if more red pigeons were entered into races i think red pigeons would get more love. the odds are against them, as for 1 red pigeon 15 blue or cheqs are entered into races .
    Regards from SA

  27. rex perkins

    I race an Australian family of mostly red feather legged pigeons called Wickhams these pigeons are a combination of gits Sions and Bricoux and a signal Logan. they were imported in to Australia after ww2 and were very successful up to 700miles

  28. alfred hendricks

    I love red racing pigeons,, I hv the mealy sions , red herman , red jansen, nd the recessive red meulerman jansens, I flew fine with them , I only hv a few bb and bc birds in my loft, but what found out now of crossing all my red nd mealy strains together, im breeding alot of pure blacks out, that fly all distances, thanks for loving red birds guys,,,, ures in red Alfred Hendricks

  29. Colin McKenzie

    Another fancier can to my mind, he’s Karel Meuleman. The Meulemans have some reds. I remember years ago, I caught a stray cock who was pure red, tail and and flights. I didn’t know anything about strain at the time, neither about sex-link breeding. What I have noticed was that this same red cock who was mated to a blue hen, produced red checks, blues and blue checks of either sex. Half his daughters were reds and the other half were blues/blue check. I took a red daughter and mated her with a checkered cock, (different bloodline) and I’ve noticed all the cocks came out red checks, some had black tics in and all the hens came out blues and blue checks. I totally agree with the comments made by Mr. Dragoon.

    Now I don’t have any reds or descendants from the red cock, but I have very few (3) red checks and a (stray)silver white hen. Out of the three red checks, one of them is a hen, and her father, (red check with black tics) and the other red check cock is a stray. I too like reds and I plan to do some genetic breeding with them.

    On another note, since most fanciers over here don’t keep much reds,and other light-coloured birds, it is because they are easily seen by hawks and they would be the first to go.

  30. Brian

    blueskylofts

    First off REDS are outnumbered by BB and BC’s 90 to 1
    In the RIRPC there are quite a few top flyers clocking reds.
    Most flyers don’t like reds maybe because the Hawks like them so much. A friend of mine won long average speed this year. Clocking my REDs on three of the four races. Winning a 500 miler. I flew REDs for forty years and won more than my share of races and diplomas. I was one of the flyers people would call to see if birds were around. One on one I’ll take a Red anyday.

  31. Simon Witherspoon

    The ‘Old Ace Family’ of Wynand Wolmarans in South Africa are recessive reds.

    These pigeons all descend from the cock ‘Old Louis’.

    They have made many fanciers Union or Combine champions, although most fly the blues and keep the reds for stock.

    I will e-mail some pictures.

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