Pigeon lung
February 19th, 2009 • Health • 1,077 viewsWhat is pigeon lung? It is an allergy to the pigeon dust that affects about 20% of the pigeon fanciers, with different degrees of severity. Exposed to the pigeon dust, you get shortness of breath, cough, feverish illness and other symptoms. Read all about this allergy on the Pigeon Lung website – it is the official resource for this health problem. Pigeon fanciers lung is a form of extrinsic allergic alveolitis.
I also have pigeon lung and I created this page for all the fanciers with this allergy to exchange tips and ideas. Let’s help each other to easily manage pigeon lung and keep our pigeons and beloved hobby.
Below is a list of resources about PFL. I will update this list every time I find interesting and useful information. Please contribute with your knowledge.
LOFT PROJECTS
Loft project #1
This is the first anti-dust loft project I designed. What do you think about it? It sucks, doesn’t it? :)
What I tried was to create a dust free environment – the dust will be carried away through the floor, lateral walls and even under the roof. I would have a solid ground under the loft and would wash away all the droppings felt to the ground. The loft’s floor would be 2 or more meters far from the ground. I would use a removable ladder to access the loft and this would also prevent cats and other predators from entering the loft.
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Loft project #2
I think this second model isn’t so good at keeping the loft environment dust free… I was trying to find a way to make the loft look nice from outside, and not be surrounded by feathers and droppings.
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Of course, there are other options like the rabbit hutch lofts described on the pigeon-lung.co.uk website.
RESPIRATORY PROTECTION MASKS
The pigeon bloom, which is the main source of inhaled pigeon protein, is an extremely small dust particle (<5 microns). The mask must filter out particles down to 5 microns, the size of pigeon dust; bloom, feather particles and droppings.
Resources:
I personally use www.aircap2.com : the great thing about it is that it filters the air and also covers your hair (the hair would collect a lot of dust).
WEARABLE PERSONAL AIR PURIFIERS
- Minimate
- Ion Wind Personal Air Purifier
- Airogard
MANGOSTEEN JUICE
Mangosteen is a tropical fruit with natural anti-inflammatory properties, and I found articles claiming that it is good for pigeon lung. The articles are by Rick Tozier, btw.
AIR FILTRATION SYSTEMS INSTALLED IN THE LOFT
Thanks to Mr. Larry Lucas, I found a device that seems to be the perfect solution for all of us who have pigeon lung. The great thing about it is that it filters 98-99% of all particles, five microns in size and 85% of particles one micron in size!
I think that my loft project above + this air filter will be the perfect dust killer.
You can read more about it here. Does anybody use this?
SYMPTOMS WORSE IN WINTER, LESS OR ABSENT IN SUMMER
I noticed that several fanciers with pigeon lung say that their symptoms are worse during cold months and they feel better or even don’t have symptoms during summer. Exactly the same happens for me! This really is interesting and must be studied more, maybe we find an useful connection.
FAT IN THE DIET
This is a very interesting thing I remember I saw online somewhere. Jim Jenner was saying that a fancier told him that when he had a big change in his diet, starting a “no fat” diet, his allergies got very bad and he had to give up his birds. It seems like saturated fat is a critical part of the body function, especially for the surface of the lungs. He went back to a more normal diet, whole milk, butter, etc. and was able to keep pigeons again. Research book: “Eat Fat Lose Fat”.
I was also found another VERY INTERESTING information, somehow related to the above: fanciers with PFL that started to take tablets for cholesterol (Statins) reported that they have seen great improvement in their PFL symptoms.
Maybe somebody with a medical background can connect these and come to a conclusion?!
WHAT KIND OF SYMPTOMS DO YOU HAVE
How does the pigeon lung allergy affect you? What problems do you experience?
The biggest problems I have are when I am away from my pigeons for more than 2 weeks, and then I get back. When I return, I always get high fever and chills that night. This may happen the next day again if I am exposed to the pigeon dust, but then, I don’t get anymore fever or chills. I rarely get a tight chest. As my body gets used to the dust again, I only have a productive cough every morning, and if I continue to be exposed for months on a daily basis, even the cough eventually stops or becomes mild.
I think this is the “acute intermittent non-progressive” version of the allergy, as they describe it in this article. I must say that these happen when I do not use any kind of respiratory mask. After the first fever days are gone, I can even clean the loft myself (no mask) without having any problems, although I am sure this isn’t really smart.
However, I am not going to play hide-and-seek with my lungs on a long term. I intend to get used to wearing a mask and also build a dust free loft.
I am sad that the medical world does too little for this. I rarely see new info or articles about pigeon lung. All they know is: get rid of pigeons. Easy to say, hard to do.
Please share your thoughts and tips below. Thank you!




18-03-2009
Andrei:
Air purifiers might cause problems? Here’s something I’ve just found: http://www.multiscope.com/hotspot/bird_breeders_lung.htm .
“When inhaled, ozone can damage the lungs. Relatively low amounts can cause chest pain, coughing, shortness of breath, and, throat irritation. Ozone may also worsen chronic respiratory diseases such as asthma and compromise the ability of the body to fight respiratory infections.”
15-07-2009
Andrei:
Just wanted to let you know that I had some health problems that decreased my cholesterol a lot, and this increased the respiratory problems I had. I didn’t get a tight chest before, but now with low cholesterol I got it. I just try to make a connection with the other info already provided in the article, related to fats in our diet and pigeon lung.
I gave up pigeons recently(for several reasons) but I intend to get back in the hobby as soon as possible and I’m trying to figure out the best method to avoid the pigeon dust. This is why I am updating this article on a regular basis.
Come on people with pigeon lung, please share your thoughts.
19-07-2009
Peter:
Hi There,
Thanks for the useful information.
I have had pigeons for 30 years – I am 40 now with a young family.
I seem to have no symptoms, no cold sweats or such. I went for a chest x-ray around a month ago for an unrelated problem and the doctor noticed a cobweb-like effect in my lungs which was visible on the xrays.
When I told him I keep pigeons, he sent me for a blood test which showed a very high sensitivity to pigeon protein.
I was told to get rid of all my birds, which I really don’t want to do, but i don’t to become chronically ill or anything either.
I have started wearing a mask and protective clothing and I am going to try the mangosteen juice for the next 3 months….hopefully my situation will improve.
Everyone that I talk to about PFL has had the fevers, but I never had that problem but I have never been away from my birds for more than a couple of days at a time…..
Has anyone else been diagnosed with the lung irritation like what I have?
19-07-2009
Andrei:
Hi Peter,
As far as I know, the problem can develop without those acute symptoms (fever, etc) – being the chronic type(with “silent” development). It is very good that you discovered it. I met several older fanciers that didn’t know anything about PL but were wheezing and breathing very hard. Doctors say that the chronic phases are irreversible or take months to years to go away.
Like you, I didn’t have acute symptoms when I was at home with the pigeons daily. I started to get them after being away for 2 weeks. Fever for the first night, than feeling perfect from the 2nd day on. However, I kept having a crazy cough in the morning (producing a lot of sputum). There was no wheezing and no tight chest. The chest x-ray showed tiny problems but I already got rid of my pigeons so I don’t know which protection measures work and how they work. Before giving up pigeons, I used a very old Aircap mask with expired filters so I am afraid that wasn’t good.
Don’t you have the productive cough in the morning? Maybe you don’t even have PL if you feel 100% OK. You also must have spirometry tests (respiratory capacity tests).
What was your level of sensitivity to the pigeon antigen? They say 6 to 20 is mild and over 100 is very high. The good news is there are reports of people who dropped their levels from over 100 to 0 after using respiratory masks all the time.
Please let me know how Mangosteen works for you! I am trying to collect all the possible info here, because I intend to get pigeons in the future again…I really loved them.
17-08-2009
Brian Tack:
Thank you very much for this very informative article. I cannot add much so I feel that I must just state what worked for me. Firstly and a definate for me, Eat Fat Get Thin. Eating this way has changed all my allergies. I eat very few carbohydrates except natural ones. Also I fly widowhood so tend to have a mostly closed loft. All I do is wear a cheap paper type mask but I do wear a loft coat. This loft coat never comes in the house unless it is to be washed.
17-08-2009
Andrei:
Hi Brian, thank you for your contribution. If the basic paper mask works for you it’s great, it means your allergies are really low now. I really must read more about all this fat-diet thing.
18-10-2009
Danny:
I have kept pigeons for about 4 years knowing that I have pigeon lung I am 37. After basketing at the club is the only time I have attacks know becasue I always wear a Soudstrum mask when near pigeons. I stay out of the club house as much as possible arriving at the later part of the evening and never handle the birds.(which is hard becasue you always feel slack) I find that a good tip is to hold your breath when tossing pigeons or when your in a dusty situations eg at someone house. I get my lungs checked once a year (xray and on lung machine) and to date have had no problems although I always get them checked off season. I vaccum and sweep the walls once a month and have a large race section 4 x 4m with all the walls and ceiling lined in sheeting except the front. I would only need to be in my loft with no mask for 10mins and exactly 4 hour later I would be shivering like mad. Every morning I do cough up stuff but because my lung specalist says everything is alright I don’t worry. I found it hard to wear a mask at first but know I don’t think about it at all its part of my routine and all my kids have followed suit.
18-10-2009
Andrei:
Hi Danny, thank you for sharing your experience. It was exactly the same for me, 10 minutes were enough to shiver like mad a few hours later.
I also did cough stuff in the morning but that was only when I wasn’t using the mask. I think that coughing means we still breath some dust, although not enough to trigger fever and all that.
4-12-2009
COLIN:
Im 34 have pigeons 2 years never heard of pigeon lung before i started them.Within 6 months couldnt carry wanes to bed out off breath and weak as water.Got blood sent away to scotland to woman called Iona Donnelly got results 74% bloom started to wear mask and hat symptoms seemed to be clearing so got another test done still 84% bloom was told that the lungs had got used to the dust.Is this a recent problem because i kept pigeons before when i was 14 to about 18 dont mind havin any problems.Love keeping the birds but dont want to take a chance on my health what should i do?
5-12-2009
Andrei:
Hi Colin. It was the same for me – I had pigeons as a kid with no problems, and now at 30, I got PL. As far as I know, the antibodies in the blood need a lot of time to clear, so even if the symptoms clear, they will still appear in the tests for a long time.
You should wear a good mask, hat and coat, and wash hands after handling birds. The mask is very important – I used an Aircap model which was great, but after some time the filters expired and I ignored that, and got PL again. Now I gave up pigeons but will restart soon and will do everything necessary to keep them.
I find it very strange to have bigger counts AFTER protective measures. I would limit the contact with the birds a lot, and do another test in a month or so. It is off season now, and this would really work. I had many weeks when I was just going to the loft to feed them once a day (fed them in 2 minutes, holding my breath LOL) – no problems. And I had someone else to clean the loft.
I do think that PL is a “modern” disease and I suspect the antibiotics and other meds we take, the food full of chemicals and so on, all these make the immune systems go crazy.
21-12-2009
COLIN:
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR THE INFORMATION HOPEFULLY I WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP YHE BIRDS AS I GET GREAT ENJOYMENT OUT OF KEEPING THEM.I HAVE A COUPLE OF FRIENDS WHO KEEP PIGEONS AND DONT SEEM TO BE SHOWIN ANY SYMPTOMS EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT STAY IN THE SHED FOR 2O MIN AT A TIME WHICH MAKES IT VERY FRUSTRATING.I THINK MAYBE ONE OF MY MAIN PROBLEMS IS THAT I PROB OVER CROWD AS IVE JUST ONE SHED 16 FT LONG WITH A FLIGHT AND 30 BIRDS WHICH COULD GO UP TO 50 DURIN RACIN SEASON.I LL DEF START WEARING A FULL LENGHT COAT MASK AND HAT THEN GET ANOTHER BLOOD TEST IN MONTHS TIME AGAIN I’LL KEEP YOU POSTED ON HOW I GET ON
21-12-2009
Andrei:
Thanks COLIN, please keep me posted!
18-01-2010
gary cook:
hi,
my names gary cook and i think i have pigeon lung.It all started about 5 yrs ago when i got diagnosed with asthma i am now 18 and have been in pigeons since i was 12. i have realised it wasnt asthma and it was pigeon lung it would happen after i had been in the lofts n a would cough, sweat, shake all the syptoms. i landed in hospital wen it was 14 when me red blood cells were popping in mu stomach n my red cell blood count was low n could hardly walk with out bein tired or blacking out. i got better after 5weeks in hospital and they didnt diagnose me to pigeon lung but ive red that pigeon lung produces more white cells white takes over your red ones. so i put it down to tht but now i wear a mask and change of clothes which helps it does get worse in the winter but aye jst try n stay out of the lofts more often. i refuse to go to doctors wen im ill becuase i do not want to give then up.
19-01-2010
Andrei:
Hi Gary. Indeed, mine was much worse in winter too.
As long as your mask and clothes changing keep you fine, it’s perfect. But I would go to the doctor at the first sign, if that happens again. Also you might want to try to send a blood sample to the guys at pigeonlung.co.uk to see your current level of sensitivity. It’s a scale from 0 to 100 or so.
It would be VERY interesting to learn if our levels of sensitivity are worse in winter, based on clear blood test results.
I suspect it has something to do with vitamin D which controls immunity. Vitamin D is much lower in winter because of the low sun exposure (they say sun exposure generates vitamin D in our skin). Crazy immunity might be the root of our problem, since our bodies attack particles that in fact aren’t dangerous for our body (pigeon protein from the dust). In fact I have pollen allergy too, which is based on the same wrong reaction of the body to a harmless particle. If a link is discovered, we would fix the problem by correcting our vitamin D level, but doctors should study this in great detail first. Do they? Don’t know. Unfortunately, there are few to no new articles on pigeon lung. All they know is: avoid pigeons, bye. I hate this.
Keep the news coming! Thanks
20-01-2010
gary cook:
hi andrei,
What do you think would happen if i carried on with pigeons and didnt find out if i had pigeon lung and just stayed away from them in the winter. In this way you can keep your hobby stay resonable well and hopefully win some races haha ?? Do you think pigeon lung could be enoug to kill you ? i think also extractor fans are good for keeping fresh air in the loft rather than cold dust air staying in the loft. the key thing is to have fresh air cumin in taking dust and pigeon smell with it . note that i think lofts must b bone dry as i think dampness affects your lungs and your birds ..
gary
20-01-2010
Andrei:
Hi Gary,
I wouldn’t wait to see how bad it can be. :) I heard about some really bad cases but I don’t want to think about them, I just try to find the right solution to still keep birds and be safe.
Just make regular visits to the doctor to check the lungs and also send blood samples to the guys at pigeon-lung.co.uk to see the level of sensitivity. As long as it is pretty low, you are safe and it means the current mask/method works. If not, additional measures must be found. They can tell you. I know that ignoring the problem can produce irreversible lung problems and we must avoid that.
I had a cough every morning and it disappeared after using a good mask. When the filter expired I was stupid enough to forget changing it and it was bad again. Now I really miss my pigeons, life really sux without them, I hope to restart soon. I even plan to feed them outside and enter the loft only for banding chicks and catching them for races, once a week. (because I kinda hate that mask although it makes me look better hehe)
Indeed, dampness affects birds, but also, dry floors produce a great amount of dust.
People use extractor fans but I don’t know how good they are. A wired floor would guarantee zero dust I think (see my drawings above in the article). Do you think that would work?
How many wired walls does your loft have? Mine had a wired front and 50% of a side wall, but it wasn’t enough.
18-02-2010
Mohammad:
Hi All,
Thanks for the site and your informaiton.
about 30 years ago I started to keep pegions as pet. For the first 5 or six years I had about 50 of them in a normal room on the older side of the parents house. I easily spent about 2 or more hours daily in that room. Then the finishing high school and moving to different places I gave up the hobby for about 20 years. Now, it is been about 5 years that I have my pets flying around my house in Perth.
I’ve never had any health problem as far as I know. I have a lovely 17 month old daughter that she loves the birds. She can’t wait to jion me to feed the birs. By knowing and reading all about the pegion lung, I am concernd that migh be dangerous daily practice to my daughter.
I don’t know what to do with the situation. She realy loves the birds and feeding them. On the other hand I absoloutely don’t want to couse any health problem to my lovely daughter.
Any advice will be appreciated.
Mohammad
19-02-2010
Andrei:
Hi Mohammad, only few people have problems with pigeon dust and need high exposure. It’s good to think about your daughter, anyway.
To be totally safe and sure, I would just teach the pigeons to eat outside the loft in the garden, and so your daughter can enjoy feeding them without any dust exposure. Pigeon dust is a problem only in closed rooms.